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Democracy or Plutocracy?

Democracy or Plutocracy? This in my opinion, is one of the biggest problems our Country is facing.

I remember when my dad worked at Western Electric and made $75 bucks a week. My mom did not have to work and stayed home with the kids. We had a decent car. We had a nice house in a nice neighborhood. My father was able to pay all his bills and still bank enough money every week so that 50 years later he is still supporting my mom from the grave.  As a realtor I have young families come to me where both the husband and wife work full time and they can’t afford the going rate for a decent rental.

What the heck happened to this country? In my opinion what is wrong with this country is a real life reversal of Robin Hood.  The rich stole from the poor. The rich control 85% of the wealth in this country while 95% of Americans share the remaining 15%. The wealthiest Americans stole all our retirement money by cooking the books, insider trading and all other sorts of illegal activity on Wall Street, by shipping all of our jobs overseas, by de-unionizing thousands of jobs and stripping us of our rights, by creating tax loopholes and other types of corporate welfare that saved the wealthiest Americans more money annually than the rest of us earn in total income.  And now they have the audacity to be mad at these same people because they need food stamps, medical and rental assistance.  We are hating the wrong class of people here. The ultra rich want us to hate the poor so it takes the spotlight off what they have and are doing to us. They want us to focus on the welfare money the government is spending on the bottom 47% rather than know how much money they are spending on corporate welfare given to benefit the top 5%. In my opinion this new Republican Party is bought and paid for by the ultra rich as Republicans refuse to even discuss ending tax cuts and other corporate welfare.  If this keeps us we will no longer have a democracy and instead we will have a Plutocracy. I don’t care if you like Obama or not, it's not about him, it’s about protecting and preserving the middle class.

I was a staunch republican for most of my adult life, but I can no longer look at what they are doing to the poor and the middle class and be OK with it. I cannot stand with a party that throws the sick, the elderly and the poor under the bus while protecting the wealthiest people in America. I cannot stand with a party who refuses to make the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share of taxes while the middle class struggle to pay their taxes.  I did not leave the Republican Party, they left me.

Rod October 5, 2012 at 09:23 pm
"The absence of effective State, and, especially, national, restraint upon unfair money-getting has tended to create a small class of enormously wealthy and economically powerful men, whose chief object is to hold and increase their power. The prime need is to change the conditions which enable these men to accumulate power which is not for the general welfare that they should hold or exercise. We grudge no man a fortune which represents his own power and sagacity, when exercised with entire regard to the welfare of his fellows." ~Theodore Roosevelt, 1910”
Olive October 5, 2012 at 09:53 pm
Nobody is reading your spam troll. Yet you persist. You are embarassing youself and your party, yet you persist. You are obviously a narcissistic, ego-maniac who spams in order to experience a false sense of power and self-worth. I have stopped reading your nonsensensical spam. So have most of the folks who visit this blog. You lost. Please spare us the pain of having to scroll through your spam.
Linda Acevedo October 5, 2012 at 10:13 pm
I love that quote
Rod October 5, 2012 at 11:14 pm
“Politics - noun. A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” ― Warren Buffett, New York Times, November 26, 2006”
Rosalie Consiglio October 5, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Olive, are you talking to someone who's posts have been deleted?
I also believe that both parties are corrupt, but at least the dems are not hell bent on destroying everyone, the whole planet, and everything on it. We definitely need another party, to represent the occupy movement, but its too late for this election. now we must choose the lesser of two evils. I do believe that Obama himself cares about the people and started off as one of us. he is limited by his party. the occupy movement is world wide and it is the beginning of a whole world revolution. If we can all come together to agree on our similarities and forget our differences, we will succeed. We all want to stop destroying the planet, world peace, have nice places to live, nice schools for our kids, enough food, water, medical care and send our kids to college, and be able to retire some day. If we all focus on these basics and forget our silly differences like religion, social issues, cultural differences, we can succeed. But if we let our differences divide us, then they win. that is what they want, so the media keeps stirring up the pot over our differences so we will willing to go to war and then the war profiteering wins.
LESTER GRACE October 5, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Warren Buffet is still fighting the IRS for back taxes he owes. What about the millions Obama gave to his buddies in the Green Energy Business that went down the tubes or overseas?
Rod October 5, 2012 at 11:38 pm
"But if in the pursuit of the means we should unfortunately stumble again on unfunded paper money or any similar species of fraud, we shall assuredly give a fatal stab to our national credit in its infancy. Paper money will invariably operate in the body of politics as spirit liquors on the human body. They prey on the vitals and ultimately destroy them. Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice." -- George Washington in a letter to Jabez Bowen, Rhode Island, Jan. 9, 1787
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President I weep for the liberty of my country when I see at this early day of its successful experiment that corruption has been imputed to many members of the House of Representatives, and the rights of the people have been bartered for promises of office. ~Andrew Jackson "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." ~ Thomas Jefferson
Rod October 6, 2012 at 12:07 am
Interesting. History repeats ... Andrew Mellon and his tax indictment in 1935. In 1934, Major General, Smedley Butler, was a whistle blower when BIG Business leaders approached him to lead a coup on Roosevelt. Check out Franklin Roosevelt, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_W._Mellon and Smedley Butler, http://youtu.be/oMEI8bnbw1o
Michael Stone October 6, 2012 at 12:37 am
Linda,
Microsoft employs 135,000 people, Buffet's companies employ over 24,000 Larry Ellison's companies employ about 150,000 people Walmart employs 1.3 Million people in America Amazon employs 51,300 people. These employees pay income tax and these employers also pay payroll tax for every one of those employees. All of these contributions are the result of the vision and drive of these business leaders. The contribution to our economy is quite adequate. I am sure many 1.5 million people that work for these companies don't hate them, as you suggest we should.
Rod October 6, 2012 at 03:24 am
FACT: Many BIG Corporations spend more on lobbying than they do taxes.
FACT: Since 2001, defense spending approximately doubled, from $316 BILLION to $708 BILLION. FACT: profits for defense corporations almost QUADRUPLED (400%) .. from $6,700,000,000 to $24,800,000,000 FACT: Extra Pay to service men and woman for being shot at, blown up, or being in imminent danger .. LESS than $8 per DAY. FACT: In 1970, average executive pay was 28 times greater than average worker pay at Nation's top companies. FACT: In 2005, the gap grew by over 560% from 28 times to 158 times greater than average worker pay. FACT: During the same period, despite increased average worker productivity, average wages remained flat. FACT: Romneys top 8 donors are BIG NY / International Banks (Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Barclays) FACT: BIG NY / International Banks also contributed heavily to Obama's campaign in 2008.
Linda Acevedo October 6, 2012 at 08:51 pm
Reggie, you want to know how its working for me???? its working great. I was paying $2000 a month for health care with Anthem Blue cross for my husband and I. I had them for 12 years but they dropped me because of a pre-existing condition. So now I am paying $900 a month for both of us thru the only insurance that wont turn you down, State insurance. Yes its not the best kind of insurance in the world but It's the only insurance that will insure me with a pre-existing...and the Harp program that Obama just put into effect, it saved me several hundred dollars a month because it's a government program that can't descriminate against someone that is holding it as an investment property or owes more than its worth due to the drop in real estate. As long as you have been paying your mortgage as agreed they lower your interest AND most times absorb all the closing fees....and my taxes have gone down along with the decrease in property values and my business is good thanks to new FHA guidelines that helps people who can afford to buy homes, buy homes with little money down. Am I better off than a couple of years ago? I would have to say yes.
Tom Scelfo October 7, 2012 at 02:36 am
Linda - you say, "I cannot stand with a party who refuses to make the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share of taxes while the middle class struggle to pay their taxes." The top 1% of wage earners currently pay 38% of all the income tax. The top 5% of all wage earners currently pay 58.7% of all the income tax. In you opinion, what is their "fair share of taxes?"
Linda Acevedo October 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Tom if the top 5% control 85% of all the wealth in this country then they should be paying 85% of all the taxes in this country. Not 58 or even 60%. I also think anyone making over 5 mill a year should be in a special tax bracket and paying a much higher percentage than someone making 250K a year. In my opinion, the biggest problem is with the tax cuts given to the largest corps. These corps are not creating jobs, they are shipping them overseas so why should they continue to get tax cuts?
Peter T. Cianelli October 7, 2012 at 03:24 pm
Ms. Acevedo..... I'm amused at many of your statements.. You blame the job creators & the wealthy for all of America's financial problems... You believe that taxing the rich will solve our Country's problems.... You blame the republlcans.... You blame the 5%..... You blame big business......
Why don't you blame the progressive liberals, such as yourself for the real cause of the America's Financial collapse... Real estate agents & mortage brokers would do everything & anything to sell houses during the housing boom. The democrats forced the lending institutions to make a certain percentage of Non Documented Loans, if they refused they were threaten with fines of up to $500,000 this was the liberals attempt to supply every tom dick and harry with a house whether they could afford it or not. This pushed the market too high and so it collapsed. The lenders fell in line because they were assured Freddie and Fannie, (we the tax payers) would bail them out of the bad loans. The reason the media companies are in trouble is they are trying to make the news instead of reporting it as a proper news media should do..... Don't be like the media Ms. Acevedo.... Report the truth
Tom Scelfo October 7, 2012 at 04:33 pm
Linda - so you feel that the "fair share of taxes" for the top 5% of wage earners is 85% of all the taxes......that's a very interesting view of "fairness." With that line of thinking, if you could arrange for the next 5% to pay the remaining 15% of all the taxes, I'm sure you would be even happier. That would certainly make the remaining 90% of wage earners very happy and remove any incentive they may have to make more money by expanding their business and hiring people. I work in a company with more than 600 employees that was started by two guys 30 years ago with a dream of growing an environmental engineering company through a LOT of long hours and very hard work. I wonder how hard they would have worked, or how many people they would have hired during the past 30 years if they realized that they would have to pay far more of their earnings under the "Linda Acevedo Tax Plan." As for me and more than 600 others in my company, we are very happy that we have good jobs and are able to help the environment through our engineering work, even though we have to pay income taxes.
Rod October 7, 2012 at 04:43 pm
FACT: BIG Corporations spend more on lobbying than they do taxes.
FACT: Since 2001, defense spending approximately doubled, from $316 BILLION to $708 BILLION. FACT: profits for defense corporations almost QUADRUPLED (400%) .. from $6,700,000,000 to $24,800,000,000 FACT: Extra Pay to service men and woman for being shot at, blown up, or being in imminent danger .. LESS than $8 per DAY. FACT: In 1970, average executive pay was 28 times greater than average worker pay at Nation's top companies. FACT: In 2005, the gap grew by over 560% from 28 times to 158 times greater than average worker pay. FACT: Romneys top 8 donors are BIG NY / International Banks (Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Barclays) FACT: BIG NY / International Banks also contributed heavily to Obama's campaign in 2008. My point is, that's pretty slippery dung you're slinging -- it won't stick. But nice try.
Janet A Cianelli October 7, 2012 at 05:04 pm
Linda Let me get this straight ! You don't consider yourself wealthy! When the average income is about 47-60 K ! I really wasn't going to respond to you as I have watched you flaunt when things were well! Now that things are back to well below normal you are screaming foul! Tell me you don't take deductions on your taxes for your bussiness and Properties and I will listen to you! Seems you use loophole too! Here is the kettle calling the kettle black! Don't spit up my dear and remember conversations we have had! We are heading to socialism really quick and wether you don't like Mitt he is are only choice this election! He can only do better than the same last 4 years! If he doesn't nothing lost ! Vote him out too!
Peter T. Cianelli October 7, 2012 at 06:20 pm
Rod....... America's Capitalism..... the best economy the world
THE RICH CREATE THE JOBS THAT KEEP AMERICA STRONG !! Company Employees 1. Wal-Mart 1,800,000 2. McDonald's 447,000 3. United Parcel Service 407,000 4. Sears Holdings 355,000 5. Home Depot 345,000 6. Target 337,000 7. IBM 329,373 8. General Motors 327,000 9. General Electric 316,000 10. Citigroup 303,000 11. Ford Motor 300,000 12. Kroger 289,000 13. Albertson's 240,000 14. United Technologies 222,200 15. Verizon Communications 217,000 16. FedEx 215,838 17. Safeway 201,000 18. Altria Group 199,000 19. Aramark 195,000 20. Berkshire Hathaway 192,012 21. AT&T 189,950 22. Delphi 185,200 23. Bank of America 176,638 24. JP Morgan Chase 168,847 25. Yum Brands 165,920 26. HCA 165,450 27. Lowe's 164,794 28. PepsiCo 157,000 29. Walgreen 155,200 30. Wells Fargo 153,500 31. Boeing 153,000 32. Darden Restaurants 150,100 33. Hewlett-Packard 150,000 34. Gap 150,000 35. JC Penney 150,000 36. Starwood Hotels and Resorts 145,000 37. Marriott International 143,000 38. Sara Lee 137,000 39. Lockheed Martin 135,000 40. Walt Disney 133,000 41. Alcoa 129,000 42. Northrop Grumman 123,600 43. Electronic Data Systems 117,000 44. Honeywell 116,000 45. Johnson & Johnson 115,600 46. Lear 115,113 47. Starbucks 115,000 48. Emerson Electric 114,200 49. CVS 114,000 50. Tyson Foods 114,000
Bill Keane October 7, 2012 at 07:34 pm
Peter, you are attempting to confuse people with facts... :-)
None of the establishments you mention can be basically good, because they are big. Since they are big, they must have hoodwinked vulnerable individuals to get where they are. They stole. So, they should pay. After all, they didn't build what they have and who they are in the marketplace. The government did it. ;-) Trickle-down government will save us.
Rosalie Consiglio October 7, 2012 at 07:58 pm
Right now, most of the big corporations are making more than ever. Corporate profits are at an all time high. Yet they are not hiring enough employees. They hire so they can claim the salaries and not have to pay as much taxes. So if we raise taxes, they will hire to continue to pay less taxes. We are not saying they should pay 85%. They should NOT be paying 0% like many are now. They should not be paying less than 25% which is the average teacher, secretary, fireman, police officer. As for small businesses, if all the profit goes to the owner, then all that profit SHOULD be taxed as income, why not? Its income, isn't it?
Linda Acevedo October 7, 2012 at 09:16 pm
I am sorry if you do not agree that the 400 wealthiest Americans should pay the same percentage of taxes that our cops, teachers and fireman pay. The reason America is such a great country is because of freedom of speech and the right to choose. You keep watching Fox news and I will keep watching MSNBC. My only hope is that we can come together in a bipartisan way and work together as a country to solve the problems we face.
Rod October 7, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Despite a growing federal deficit and widespread economic instability since 2008, 30 major corporations accumulated profits of $164 billion between 2008 and 2010, while receiving combined tax rebates totaling almost $11 billion. These companies spent about $476 million to lobby the U.S. Congress, and another $22 million on federal campaigns, while in some instances laying off employees and increasing executive pay.
29 Major Corporations Paid No Federal Taxes, 2008-2010 The Companies include corporate giants General Electric, Verizon Communications, Wells Fargo (WFC), Mattel (MAT) and Boeing (BA), 29 of them managed to pay no federal taxes from 2008 to 2010. Only FedEx, which raked in about $4.2 billion in profits during that period, paid a three-year tax rate of 1 percent -- totaling $37 million -- far less than the statutory federal corporate tax rate of 35 percent. http://www.webcitation.org/64D9GyQG0
Peter T. Cianelli October 7, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Ms. Acevedo..... 400 of the wealthiest Americans paying more taxes will not solve our Country's $16,000,000,000,000 debt..... Your telling everyone you watch MSNBC... now I understand ..... WOW !!!!! .. You want me to pay for your bad investments.... You want me to pay for other people's food stamps.... You want me to pay for other people's healthcare..... you want me to pay for the illegal immigrates Education & Housing..... You want me to pay for Abortions... Contraception.....ect... I Think you should blame GEORGE BUSH ..... LMAO !!!! just saying....
Tom Scelfo October 8, 2012 at 04:10 am
I don't think the wealthiest Americans should pay the same percentage of taxes as cops, teachers and fireman - they should pay a higher percentage. The good news is that they DO pay a higher percentage. If you research information from the IRS rather than MSNBC, you would find out that the wealthiest Americans (the highest 1% of all wage earners) pay the highest percentage of their income as income taxes. The 1%ers pay a higher percentage than the 5%ers, which, in turn, pay a higher percentage than the 10%ers, etc. The tax structure works exactly as designed. Thanks to Google, you can actually find real facts on the Internet rather than relying on either MSNBC or Fox News who both cherry-pick the data to "prove" their side of the argument.
Linda Acevedo October 8, 2012 at 04:49 pm
Tom whether it be google, IRS, MSNBC or Fox News I think the answer we are going to hear with regard to what percentage Romney paid is 14%. If you think that percentage is fair there is really no point in continuing this conversation. Let's just agree to disagree.
Michael Stone October 8, 2012 at 06:29 pm
Linda, Don't forget that the 14% is mostly from investment income. Therefore he is being taxed on money that was already taxed when he earned it originally.
(ex. I earn $100K, pay 30% in taxes. After I pay all my bills I invest $20K in the market with the money left over) That $20K is my money after my taxes have been paid. I have a choice, I can buy an Xbox, Ipad, Big screen tv, cigarettes, lottery tickets, etc. or I can invest it in a business that will create jobs. There is as good a chance that my $20K investment loses money and my money disappears and I am left with nothing. (not even a brand new ipad) But, if that same $20K turns into 25K you want me to pay 85% of that 5K in taxes? Why would I invest again?
Michael Stone October 8, 2012 at 06:40 pm
Rose, who told you that people making over $500,000 were paying a 90% tax rate? That is absurd. I am surprised you would fall for that nonsense. If you want to see real waste and frivolity you need look no further than government. I know I'm repeating myself but it's not what they buy that's the real problem, it's what they spend.
Michael Stone October 8, 2012 at 06:42 pm
Linda,
You did say we should hate them... "We are hating the wrong class of people here."
Michael Stone October 8, 2012 at 06:55 pm
However Rose, Don't forget that every dollar ever spent by the government was taken from a private business owner, or one of his/her employees through taxes.. (unless you count the dollars they simply print...) Evey government job, program, or entitlement is paid for by the private sector and the taxes they supply.
Without the private sector, their would be no money for the government to build the roads, and schools, and pay the teachers and the fire fighters, and military to protect this great country. The system is perfectly designed for harmony between business and government where business is allowed to pursue their version of the American Dream while supplying the government the resources they need to feed the machine, and provide the things necessary for everyone to contribute. Unfortunately, our government officials on both sides of the aisle would rather forget that. They too smart for their own good and make enemies out of allies. I love your passion for the issues, and even though we have opposing view points, the problem doe not lie in a difference of opinion. It lies in a leadership model that has strayed from it's purpose. Politicians concerned only about the next election. I know you support our President, and I am not saying any other politician is better, but when our embassy is being attacked and he decides to go on "The View" and smile for the cameras... we are all in trouble.
Rod October 8, 2012 at 07:22 pm
"I feel bad even asking Patnode about Romney. Big and burly, with white hair and the thick forearms of a man who's stocked a shelf or two in his lifetime, he seems to belong to an era before things like leveraged debt even existed. For 38 years, Patnode worked for a company called KB Toys in Pittsfield. He was the longest-serving employee in the company's history, opening some of the firm's first mall stores, ... traveling all over the world to help build an empire that at its peak included 1,300 stores. ...."
"Then in 2000, right before Romney gave up his ownership stake in Bain Capital, the firm targeted KB Toys. The debacle that followed serves as a prime example of the conflict between the old model of American business, built from the ground up with sweat and industry know-how, and the new globalist model, the Romney model, which uses leverage as a weapon of high-speed conquest. .... Bain ended up earning a return of at least 370 percent on the deal, while KB Toys fell into bankruptcy, saddled with millions in debt. KB's former parent company, Big Lots, alleged in bankruptcy court that Bain's "unjustified" return on the dividend recap was actually "900 percent in a mere 16 months." Patnode, by contrast, was fired in December 2008, after almost four decades on the job. Like other employees, he didn't get a single day's severance. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829

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